As Bruce’s closest ally besides Alfred but somebody who Bruce probably pushes away more than any other person.

To me, one of the things that’s really interesting about Dick Grayson, and this will be something, a theme that’s mined in Batman too, is that relationship is pathological at times and completely endearing at others.

Dick always wears his heart on his sleeve, he cares about Bruce openly. He’s compassionate and empathetic. Bruce is just a darker character, and for me, he’s someone who needs that connection but won’t admit it. That’s why he as all the Robins and so on. He needs people and he’s not fully…crazy, the way you’d imagine he’d become as an old and wind up in the cave all the time.

The idea is that Dick Grayson is also the person who is his greatest tether to humanity. When I think about the future for Bruce, I think about him either very very lonely, sort of like the Batman Beyond version of him or dying in the line of duty as Batman or…you know, there aren’t a lot of good endings.

Dick’s the person that would pull him back from the edge, or even bring him down, honestly if he needed to if Bruce really went too far in some way and bring him in. It really wouldn’t be Clark, as much as I love the stories with Clark, I feel like Clark would lose to him, to Batman. But the person that would probably really get him is Dick.

That story is in the back of my head as something that might never ever happen. But if you take the characters, I love Elseworlds and futuristic versions of them. From the Dark Knight Returns to Batman Beyond to everything, even things like Red Son and all sorts of stories that imagine what would happen if you took this character through a logical extension like Kingdom Come.

My opinion is Dick would be the person to bring Bruce down. I don’t mean kill him, he’d bring him back from the edge and have him locked up if he went too far in some way. He’s the final battle for Bruce in that way and not Clark. I know some people think it would be Clark, Dick would be the second to last if he were doing the levels in a video game. It would be Dick Grayson and then finally Superman but to me it would be the reverse. The final guy would be Dick Grayson. I think he knows Bruce better in some ways.